Key Factors Behind Michigan’s Inconsistent Run Game This Season

[All right, what’s going on, Michigan fans? Welcome back to another episode of the breakdown. I got my former teammate and Michigan legend. I have ran behind this man quite a few times. He led me to the glory of scoring more touchdowns than I ever could have imagined, John Jansen.

John, what’s going on, bro? Hey, man. How you doing? I appreciate the introduction. And it always takes a great running back and a quarterback that knows when to get rid of the ball to make an offensive line look great.

Hey, I agree with you there to a certain degree, man, because listen, you guys made it easy for me to run through these holes. I like they were uh the read was easy. You guys were great at uh run blocking, pass. I mean, you guys just made my job easier. So, but what we’re seeing this year is um the job not being made easy for the running backs.

And I kind of wanted to talk to you a little bit about that because, you know, again, when we’re talking about offensive line play, who’s better to talk about that than yourself? Um, I pulled our audience. Got some great questions for you, John. So, let’s jump into it. Um, John, so when you compare this offensive line to last year’s group, what are the biggest differences you see personnel-wise, experience-wise, communication, and technique and scheme?

They got some great questions, man. I don’t know where they came up with these questions. I feel like a lot of these people use ChatGPT, but we’ll go with it. So, that’s the confusing thing is answering that question because at the end of the year, early on last season, right, Evan Link is your starting left tackle. When he goes down, you’ve got Blake Frazier playing left tackle.

You’ve got Andrew Sprague playing all season long at right tackle. You’ve got Jake Guarnera, who last year was guard, now he’s center, but you had Brady Norton in the mix playing right guard. and you had Nathan Efobi playing left guard. What do we have now? Like up up until that UTEP game, that was the makeup of your offensive line. And so they were having success in those positions and now you’re thinking a year forward, hey, they’ve got the experience, they worked out some of those kinks, they learned from it, and they’re struggling to run the football.

So that’s that to me is a mystery. And I’ve tried to think a lot about why would they be struggling this year when they weren’t last year. And you and I both know like we’ve been in a number of different offenses. And unless you are 100% bought in and comfortable with how things are being called, when they’re being called, like if you have any pause coming off the ball as an offensive lineman, you can’t operate. Like if you’re thinking it’s it’s too late.

And I and I feel like at the start of the season they’re thinking about the minutia of playing offensive line and that is okay where are we going and you know who’s calling out the center who’s calling out the mic and that’s Jake Guarnera. We saw him at Texas play that center position when went down. So we know he can do it but it’s a matter of being comfortable in that position. Now all of a sudden hey we’re going to 52. I got to reate that to everybody.

All right. Hey, right tackle, we’re going to 52. What does that mean for me on my guard backside? If you’re going through that checklist of I got to hear what that is. Instead of me making that determination and then getting confirmation by the call, I’m waiting for the call and then I’m going, okay, what does that mean for us?

I’m making the call to the guard. The guard’s making it to me and then I’m thinking, okay, what footwork should I be using? like there’s just way too much going on um to be able to just go out there and play football. Um and so that’s that’s really the only thing. It’s it’s a new offense. It’s not a more complicated offense.

In fact, I’ve sat in those meetings. I actually think it’s much more easy to decipher and the uptake should have been quicker, but they’re not there yet. And we saw them gain some confidence in the second half of UTEP. and I’ll continue to answer that question because now all of a sudden, hey, Evan Link is back at left tackle and you’ve got Efobi at left guard, Jake at center, and who has played extremely well. And then at right guard, you’ve got Brady Norton, and then at right tackle, they move Blake Frazier over. I wish I had known the circumstances before that last game as to what happened and how it happened because I don’t know if you listen to the broadcast.

I have been tough on this offensive line for all the reasons I just talked about. They played these positions last year. It should be better. Um but on Friday night, Andrew Sprague leaves practice, leaves the building, and literally a half hour later gives Jim Harding, the offensive line coach, and says, “Hey, there’s something going on. I need to come in.” He says, you know, he calls Coach Whittingham and then at the last minute, right, he’s not he’s not available to play.

They move Blake from left to right. They put Evan in at at left tackle. And my hats off to Blake Frazier for going in not having any reps or any measurable reps at that right tackle spot and then just going, “Hey, I got to go from left hand to right hand. I’ve got to listen to that play call in the huddle and it’s I got to translate everything from this is how I heard it as a left tackle now I got to hear it as a right tackle. I thought he it with that context I thought he did a damn good job of making that shift and in the second half we did see better footwork from the entire group.

It felt like they started to get some confidence in, okay, what I’m what I what I think I know, I actually know, and now I can go play. that’s that’s so um that’s so unique, man, because I kind of remember, you know, back when we played, it seemed like there were there were times like where we prepared for those emergency cases, right, where so and so may have been a right guard, but at some part in the practice, it was like, “Hey, listen. we’re going to move you over to left guard. We’re going to slide this guy in over at right just so that you get those reps because again, you just never know what’s going to happen when a guy goes down. Are we not doing that as much uh as as as we did back then? Like what’s been the difference in that? Well, they did a little bit through training camp.

Um, you know, they’d move guys around as they’re trying to find out who are the best five that they want to put out there because until they got the confirmation that Andrew Babalola wasn’t going to be ready yet, like he was in the mix and if he’s in the mix, do you bump Blake down to guard or or do you put Babs at guard and you keep Blake at tackle? Like there was a lot of that, you know, shifting and and things going on. Um, but still when it’s when you get into the game preparation like that, a lot of that stuff was happening in training camp. Once you get into, hey, we’re preparing for Oklahoma, we’re preparing for UTEP, now we’re preparing for Iowa, you don’t see as much of that happening now as you did maybe back in that cross training that you did back in in, you know, when we were playing, right?

Gotcha. Gotcha. Um, all right, John. Question number two. Why is, and this is probably I should have wrote this question.

Why is Michigan struggling to run the football consistently? And how much of that is actually on the offensive line? Um, well, I’m as an offensive lineman, I’m always going to say 90 to 95% of it is on the offensive line. And I’ll let you I actually want to ask you about Savon Hiter Hiter and some of the things we saw in the second half, but I’ll get to that after I answer this question. Um it’s it’s on the offensive line. the struggle that they’re having is blocking movement.

They they saw it Western and they certainly saw a ton of it against Oklahoma. And then it’s everybody likes to copy. If this is working, then what are we going to do for UTEP? UTEP’s defensive line, undersized defensive line is going to be moving around. And I’ll go back to my first answer of, hey, I’m thinking about all of these different things and I’m not just going out and trusting my technique, going through what I’m doing.

I’m thinking about too many things. If you can’t take good footwork coming off the ball and you turn your shoulders, and this is where I really believe we’re struggling the most is if I’ve got a double team, if I’m playing right tackle and I got to double team with my guard, as soon as that guy pinches across the guard’s face, I can’t turn my shoulders. If I do, and I don’t do anything to help that, because that guy vacates the position, now a linebacker comes, I can’t square back up and make that block. That’s where we’re struggling now to do it properly. I come down and that guard or that defensive tackle goes away.

If I just use one hand, but I stay square. Now, if there’s a looper coming over or if it’s a linebacker, by default, they have to run right into my chest. Now, I may not block him at all if I’m standing too high and I’m not taking, you know, if I’m not aware that he’s coming, but at least I’ve got a body on a body. That’s where this offensive line is struggling is sometimes they’re trying to help their buddy too much. Sometimes they’re just out of position and it’s as simple as that guy goes away, I give one hand, but I keep my shoulder square because somebody else is coming.

Or if it’s a double pinch and that defensive end is coming down now all of a sudden, hey, I give one hand. If I’m square, that defensive end runs into me and I can help that tight end get up to the linebacker. That’s where they’ve got to become more comfortable at blocking movement. Now, I’ll ask you this because I thought in the second half and maybe it was due to the fumble that Savon Hiter had in the first half, it felt like he when he got the ball from Bryce in the second half, he slowed things down. There was almost a pause or a stutter step or a hop and then he allowed the blocks to set up, allowed things to happen, allowed the linebackers to move and then he attacked the line of scrimmage and it felt like that little delay timed everything up better.

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Find me at a2homegirl.net. Yeah, definitely. And I think Savon Hiter talked about this a little bit earlier in in the week going into the game that he needed to be more patient, right? Because I think a lot of times when you when the run game isn’t going the way you expect it to, I think you almost kind of lose a little bit of faith in your offensive line. So now you feel like you have to take on the responsibility and the pressure to make something happen.

So now you’re just slamming it up in there or you’re bouncing it when you shouldn’t be bouncing it and you’re not helping your offensive line. I think one of the things that was uh you know that I feel like I did well was understanding who was good at what right on the offensive line, who was a good puller, who was who was a good sealer, who was who was going to lead me up in into the hole, who was faster than than than the other offensive line. And so by learning that, I was able to help guys get better angles on the guys that they were going to they were going to eventually block. o, I think the patience for Savon Hiter is is absolutely key because you have to get the defense to flow and commit to whatever it is that they’re that they’re going to do so that you can help your offensive line get a get a better angle.

Now, with that being said, some of the plays that we ran back in the day were designed to help us be able to do that, right? We ran a lot of off-tackle, a lot of stretch, which created a lot of those cutbacks that we were famous for. And that helped our offensive line, too. So, we weren’t always just running straight up in the middle. We ended up getting guys kind of being able to move and kind of help us set up those blocks.

So, it it kind of went both hand in hand. And also, I wasn’t that fast, so I had to be patient. So, let me ask you, I want to ask a follow-up before you get to the next fan question. the difference between you as a freshman, you as a junior or senior, like how long did that process take for you to learn about us, but also just to develop that patience in the backfield? Um, you know, man, it took it took a couple years because, you know, and you and I were on demo squad, right? And so they’re sitting there asking you to black uh to uh block uh Matt Dyson and Townsen.

And let me tell you, uh, a a 240 pound Jon Jansen trying to block uh, Matt Dyson, you had no choice but to be patient, right? Right. So, or die. Those [laughter] those demo days, man, were just absolutely brutal. But we had spent so much time together because we came in together that eventually it was like we kind of grew together, right?

That whole offensive line. And so the understanding of what guys were good good at, what they weren’t good at, we kind of learned as we went through the process. Um, and then of course our plays never changed, right? Um, we ran the same thing our freshman year that we ran our senior year. So we never had to worry about that.

So the reps were, you know, it was like, you know, just, you know, doing it in your sleep. So we knew what to do just because of reps and because our plays never changed. And I think that helps an offensive line and that helps a running back build that cohesiveness. Yeah. Which is I’ll go back to some of the first questions I answered in regards to it’s new offense, new system, and I think these guys are still learning the timing of the offensive line, the flow, and how it all fits together.

Yeah, absolutely. I agree. And I’m glad you asked that question because now for me that puts everything in perspective. And so hopefully fans will will uh will appreciate that. So next question, John.

We’re seeing and we talked about this earlier. We’re seeing defenses load the box and commit numbers to stopping Michigan’s run. What does Jason Beck have to do schematically to make defenses pay for that? We started to see it a little bit against UTEP. And really it’s going to be how comfortable is Bryce in the pump fake, right?

And it’s um if your what Bryce has been good at is some of those quick passes and the quarterback runs. Um and you know I’m I’m still curious as to why teams are loading the box because we haven’t been an efficient run team. But on the flip side, we really haven’t pushed anything down the field too much. You know, a couple of slants that worked against UTEP, but we haven’t been good past 10 or 15 yards. Um, I think the adjustment is, you know, if we’re going to open up and get Bryce comfortable, hey, it was a quick pass out to JJ or a quick pass out to Andrew Marsh or a little flare route to Jordan Marshall or Savon Hiter.

Like, at some point, you know, a defense is going to try to take that away. And if they start playing some of that press man coverage, then you’ve got to be able to with your body, the ball, and your eyes sell that pump. I’m gonna I’m gonna I’m gonna pump it here quick and maybe even come back to the other side where hey, I’m gonna hit JJ down the sideline or I’m just gonna pump and Andrew Marsh going to beat somebody one-on-one and I’ve got to be able to drop it over the top. That’s one thing that’s going to help. Um the second thing that will help is, you know, being able to operate the offense efficiently.

And what I mean by that is, hey, that Michigan is huddling up more than they have in the past. So when you huddle up, especially early in the game, break instead of breaking that huddle at and snapping the ball with, you know, two or on the play clock, get up to the line of scrimmage with so that you’ve got time to move that tight end from one side of the formation to the other. you’ve got time to put then a a wide receiver in motion or if you’re going to line the running back out, bring him back in, give that defense so many things to look at and adjust to and that’s when you start hitting them with some of those quick hits in the middle. and that to me is you’re going to have to show that you can run against an eight or even a nine-man box and not break in, you know, 65 yard, you know, touchdowns.

That’s not going to happen. But you’ve got to show that even if you load up the box, we’re going to be able to hit some four and five yard runs, we’re going to be able to, if you’re going to man everything up, we’re going to be able to get the ball out, make a man miss, and go for a big play or be able to go over the top. So, it all works together. And you can’t just be, well, hey, nothing’s working, so we’re going quarterback run. Iowa will sniff that out and they’ll stop it in a heartbeat.

Okay. Well, what’s our next go-to? Well, we can only hit the quick passes. same thing. Their secondary is really good and experienced. Phil Parker sniffed that out.

You’re gonna start having to add more to this offense so that you can have all of the weapons at your disposal. You may not use them all at the same time, but a defense has to know that there’s a risk. Yeah. One of the things um I just I will hammer till, you know, I’m blue in the face is I would love to see us bring back more stretch off-tackle runs, right? Because I feel like we have to get these defenses, these linebackers flowing from sideline to sideline because that to me creates natural creases, creates natural blocking angles for your offensive line.

To your point, right, the defenses are moving a lot. I remember when we played UCLA, they were kind of the same uh same defense. They were undersized and so they were doing a lot of stunts and a lot of those stunts that they were running were actually taking them out of out of the play and uh we had a great a great game rushing the ball that that game. So I feel like we have to start doing more attacking on the outside. What do you think about that?

I 100% agree and I think it goes into hand in hand with a young running back in Savon Hiter where you want to be able to allow him to be instinctual, right? Instead of having to be patient and having to learn all of these things and learn how guys are blocking things like just allow him to be instinctual so that hey, we’re getting it’s it for the offensive line it’s elephants on parade, right? Hey, I’m going to hook my trunk up to your tail and we’re all going this way and that linebacker is going to have to make a choice. Sometimes he might choose right and then you need a back to make a man miss or fight back to the line of scrimmage. Sometimes he going to guess wrong and all of a sudden you’re hitting your head on the goalpost.

I agree like that is where you’ve got to start widening guys out, letting this offense run and breathe. Um, and it makes it it makes it very clear for an offensive line. If they’re going to be moving and they move the way I’m going, hey, I pick you right up. I catch you in the wash. If they move the opposite way, then it it happens in a heartbeat and it I don’t have time to turn my shoulders.

All of a sudden, if I taken that right step and that defensive end pitches in my face, bingo, I got him. All right. And it’s it just opens up more opportunity for that running back to be able to find the crease and pick up yardage and then you could start adding those other things uh to the mix. Yeah, I agree. Um and this is a really good question because I think this kind of goes back to almost those Rich Rodriguez Rich Rodriguez days.

I know that’s probably a nightmare for some people, but this question, John, do you think this offensive line’s personnel fits what Beck wants to do offensively, or are we still seeing a transition between personnel and scheme? I think the mindset of this offensive line and their skill set fits exactly what Jason Beck wants to do. And the reason I say that is the run scheme isn’t that much different than it was last year. it’s called something different and you know you got a different voice calling but it’s it’s very similar and these guys were successful at it last year. I just think they’re and this is it’s very it’s very hard for offensive linemen to get out of their own head sometimes and you know it’s it’s at every position right if you’re thinking too much you can’t play. You got to get out of your head and just play the game.

Go out there and block. When in doubt, fire out. and sometimes you in a new situation, you might be wrong, but if you’re doing it physical in college, that defense isn’t always being isn’t always right where they line up and what they’re doing. And if you’re doing it more physical than they are, it doesn’t matter. John, that brings up a a question that I have talking about physicalness. How how are you feeling about the physical nature of of the offensive line? like are you seeing the the pads popping?

Are you seeing the violence that an offensive line needs to have or again to your point, are they thinking too much that that is kind of hindering the violence and physical physicality that we need to see out of the offensive line? Yeah, I mean when the two things happen when you’re thinking too much. one, you’re laid off the ball or you’re not as aggressive and you’re high and so when you if you’re thinking too much now all of a sudden, hey, I’m laid off the ball and I’m unsure of what I’m doing so I can’t be physical and I can’t be aggressive and if I’m doing I’m also kind of looking around and it’s natural for offensive linemen. it. You have to force your st self to stay low. And if you are thinking about all these things, it’s natural for you to start raising up. And if you take a helmet in the chest or under the chin, I don’t care how small that guy is compared to me, he wins.

And so that’s part of the issue. We’re not getting the movement at the we’re not removing the line of scrimmage and making those linebackers bounce. We’re not getting to those linebackers. And that’s where we’re we’re struggling. We’ve got to do a better job at the snap of the ball.

And I don’t care if you block another linebacker the rest of the season. If you put those defensive linemen onto the toes of the linebackers, you’re going to gain yards. Now, here’s a question that regards with uh Bryce. How much does having a young quarterback in Bryce affect the offense that Jason Beck wants to run? So, we’ve all gone back and watched Utah film and but what I don’t know is like were they getting to the line of scrimmage with two plays and you know like was there an option like hey if you get up to the line of scrimmage and all of a sudden hey we want to run this ball we want to run this play to a three technique but we got a one and a five on this side.

All right. Well, do I have the ability to, you know, just go opposite and run it to [clears throat] the other side or do I have the ability to check it to a different play? I just don’t know if those things are a part of the offense right now. And if it was, I don’t know if Bryce is yet comfortable in being able to do that. So, I guess I’m I’m I’m unqualified to answer that question because I’m not in the huddle and I’m not in all the meetings to know is this the plan of attack when we get to the line of scrimmage.

If we see a look that we know it’s a loser look to run into and sometimes you line up and you’re like we keep this play on, it’s going to get hosed and you got to have the ability to move to something else or check to something else even if it’s a quick pass. Um, I just don’t know if they have that in the system yet. Gotcha. And now, if you walked into Michigan’s offensive line room tomorrow, what are the two or three things you tell those guys they have to improve immediately? Footwork.

Footwork. Footwork. Footwork. It it it all comes down to footwork. And if I take the right steps, chances are I’m going to be in the position to help my buddy, but to protect myself.

And then it’s a matter of cuz they’re trying to create as many double teams as possible. If I if I take the right footwork and I keep my shoulders square to the line of scrimmage now I can get movement and do it with low pad. That’s the three things that I would focus on for this offensive line because pass protection’s been really good that you know Bryce hasn’t been under duress. He hasn’t had to escape the pocket. He hasn’t taken any big shots.

It’s simply focusing on the run. So I would tell them, you know, start with the right foot and, you know, keep your shoulder square and do it low. Like that will solve 90% of the problems. Um, now a matter, it sounds real easy, right? It’s a matter of execution at that point.

And I would tell these guys when you go to the line of scrimmage, all right, you know where the ball’s going, where it’s intended to go. You know the snap count. As soon as you get up there and you get set, okay, I’d think to myself, what’s the best thing and the worst thing that can happen to me? And the best thing is, hey, everybody plays straight. I block this and we go, you know, we go right down to we pick up first down.

What the most important question though is what could go wrong? and I think to myself when I get up there, all right, if I take my steps, that’s who I got to block. What if he goes away? Okay, now all of a sudden, hey, I don’t it doesn’t have to be the worst thing because I can compensate for that with my shoulder square. Somebody’s coming to me or I that guy goes away. Now all of a sudden, hey, I’m helping the tight end up to that linebacker.

I may not even actually be the guy that comes off on that linebacker. It might be the tight end because that guy’s going so flat. You’ve got to be able to think about what’s the best case and worst case scenario on any play. Where can I get beat and where does it hurt the most? That’s that’s always what you think as a tackle and pass protection.

Like if I know it’s a five-step drop and you know Brian’s going to be at seven seven yards stepping up to six, I’ve got to protect that spot on the field and I’ve got to make sure that when I set depending on where he’s at, I’m taking a set that puts me uh puts my face mask on the, you know, the inside via his neck or if I know Brian, hey, on this one he’s going to set up at at nine because it’s a seven-step drop. But the way that the ball motion in the backfield is, hey, I’m gonna fake it to Chris and I’m actually going to set up over the guard. Now all of a sudden, I’m thinking to myself, well, instead of being on the inside via the neck, I got to get to face up because I know where he wants to get. I know how he’s going to react, but I also know where that quarterback is. It’s it’s once you get comfortable with the X’s and O’s, now you get to the line of scrimmage and you think, “What’s the what’s the worst thing that could happen to me on this play?” If I could prevent that, then it’s a matter of execution.

And last question, John, when Michigan fans are at home watching the watching the game, they’re screaming, “Run the damn ball,” which I do that all the time. Uh what are they not seeing that you see as a former offensive lineman? Um, well, when I’m looking at, you know, just in in terms of calling play, chances are I’m screaming the same thing. Usually a commercial break, run the damn ball. Um, and I have a couple more F uh descriptors in there.

Um, but you’ve got to be able to see what the coverage is. Um, and you’ve got to be able to see where are the linebackers in relation to the corners. And, uh, you know, there’s there’s just so much that goes. where are you on the field? What’s the down and distance? What do I need for a first down?

Uh all those things play a factor in it. And once you get into a game, and this is where I think we were really good in 97. And part of why we were so successful was we had a really good offensive line. We had backs that we were comfortable with, they were comfortable with all the things that we had just talked about. But when we came to the sidelines, it wasn’t, hey, you know, I messed up this play or, you know, this.

We weren’t talking about the plays. We were talking about the defenses. Hey, you know, he’s lining up at a five. When we run this motion with Tuman, he widens out a little bit. If we do that same motion and we hit you know 24 or we go with corn or whatever the hell we you know we called it at the time like it that motion will help me be successful and then Bakus and Hutch would say yeah on that motion when they’re doing that a front side they’re doing this backside like that communication was invaluable that we had with Terry Malone and Mike Debor and so I just don’t think that they’re in the position right now to even be looking at.

Yeah, they may see what the linebackers are doing, but what’s the safeties doing and what how does that determine what I’m going to what the linebackers are going to be doing? The anticipation’s not there. There you have it, Jon Jansen. Man, I appreciate you coming on, John. Last question.

We play Iowa this weekend. What are you expecting from a from an offensive line game plan? What are you expecting from this offensive line? What are you expecting to see this offensive line going up a very good Iowa defense? Um, we’re going to try and create as many double teams as possible and to try and protect against that movement up front.

That’s going to be part of it. And I do expect that we’re going to attack the edges of this defense a little bit more. They’re big, they’re strong, and they have some athletic ability, but they’re not When we played Western, that was a fast defensive front. Undersized, but fast. Same thing with UTEP.

And so they were a lot of times going to be sprinting to the edges and they were going to cut those things off. Oklahoma was kind of a different animal because of Brent Venables’s defense um and the fact that you got first round picks, you know, kind of all over the front up up front. That’s a very good defensive front and tip of the cap that they did enough to beat that Oklahoma team. But for Iowa, one of the things I see for them is I don’t think they don’t have a Jack Campbell at linebacker. Good linebackers, but not high-end sideline to sideline guys.

If you can get this defense running, attack the edges now all of a sudden, hey, some of those jet sweeps going the other way um will will really be productive. or you run a jet sweep with Andrew Marsh. The next one you come back, you show that jet motion and then you’re running uh a read option with Bryce and Savon Hiter or Bryce and Jordan. I expect a lot of that uh in this game. There you have it, Jon Jansen. Man, as always, brother, I appreciate you, John.

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